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Well it wouldn't make senses for Main + Sides to be longer than just the main story, right? Games with a small amount of data aren't very accurate so final estimates are sorted to avoid what you are pointing out.

Ah, I see, thanks!

Well it wouldn't make senses for Main + Sides to be longer than just the main story, right?

I have been wondering about that since I noticed these times and I guess this might be indeed possible. In case of those Mega Man X games, there are optional items that expand the players life or life refil containers and other upgrades. Getting those are clearly optional, but also make the game easier. It might not be totally unreasonable to think that the detour to collect at least some of those items might be shorter than playing the whole game without any extra items.

But overall I am also not sure if this is really a wider problem that needs to be adressed.

Ah, I see, thanks!

Well it wouldn't make senses for Main + Sides to be longer than just the main story, right?

I have been wondering about that since I noticed these times and I guess this might be indeed possible. In case of those Mega Man X games, there are optional items that expand the players life or life refil containers and other upgrades. Getting those are clearly optional, but also make the game easier. It might not be totally unreasonable to think that the detour to collect at least some of those items might be shorter than playing the whole game without any extra items.

But overall I am also not sure if this is really a wider problem that needs to be adressed.

That's a fair and interesting point. Before this was put into place users were often confused when the time categories were presented out of order so I made the change.

I’ve been wondering, would it be possible to add the button to jump to the most recent page of the blog on the profile page like there is on the forum?

Once Platform Individuality is marked, it examines the times submitted for each individual platform and then lumps them together if they are similar.

I submitted an edit for LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures marking that option, but the completion times between DS and PC are extremly similar, so will the system work?

The details edit is now applied, but the info is wrong, the psp version is the same as the main consoles, and the ds version is different https://howlongtobeat.com/game/5253

The details edit is now applied, but the info is wrong, the psp version is the same as the main consoles, and the ds version is different https://howlongtobeat.com/game/5253

This is a good example of when the game is very different but the time is actually about the same as all the other versions so it might not be worth having on.

Hi, is this the right place to report duplicate entries?
I've noticed that the game Basilisk 2000 is listed separately as both "Basilisk 2000 " and "Basilisk - 2000"

Hi, is this the right place to report duplicate entries?
I've noticed that the game Basilisk 2000 is listed separately as both "Basilisk 2000 " and "Basilisk - 2000"

You'll want the "Data Merging, Separation & Removal Mega Thread" for that.

You'll want the "Data Merging, Separation & Removal Mega Thread" for that.

Ok, thanks!

Don't know if it has been suggested before, but I would love the introduction of a "like" button on posts. Specifically for the blogs, I don't always have something to say about the entries but would enjoy leaving a "like" there to encourage the writers.

Don't know if it has been suggested before, but I would love the introduction of a "like" button on posts. Specifically for the blogs, I don't always have something to say about the entries but would enjoy leaving a "like" there to encourage the writers.

I second the addition of like system too

Even here if there was a like system I could have just liked their suggestion to show approval instead of making another comment

This is going to be a weird request and I can understand not implementing it but websites like MyAnimeList has a section where you click on a user's profile page and has a section called "affinity to you" where it goes over anime you and the user you clicked on watched as well as anime you have seen and the other hasn't and vice versa. I'm asking mainly because it might be a quicker way of checking out someone's profile and being able to more quickly discern if I should continue to glance at it.

This is going to be a weird request and I can understand not implementing it but websites like MyAnimeList has a section where you click on a user's profile page and has a section called "affinity to you" where it goes over anime you and the user you clicked on watched as well as anime you have seen and the other hasn't and vice versa. I'm asking mainly because it might be a quicker way of checking out someone's profile and being able to more quickly discern if I should continue to glance at it.

Ooh I like this idea, I second this

I'm new to this site so I doubt my feedback will be anything new, but I'm really bothered by how the bulk edit treats "beaten" and "completed" as synonyms. Those two don't mean the same thing, especially not for a site that tracks both beaten and 100%. I just set a game to 100% complete and I don't see any special label for that in my collection, if Beat and Completed are the same I'd like to have some sort of indication. Maybe I'm too Steam-brained, but I'm just going through my beat/completed list to manually edit the ones I have at 100% and it's hard to tell which ones I already edited as well. ;w;

I'm new to this site so I doubt my feedback will be anything new, but I'm really bothered by how the bulk edit treats "beaten" and "completed" as synonyms. Those two don't mean the same thing, especially not for a site that tracks both beaten and 100%. I just set a game to 100% complete and I don't see any special label for that in my collection, if Beat and Completed are the same I'd like to have some sort of indication. Maybe I'm too Steam-brained, but I'm just going through my beat/completed list to manually edit the ones I have at 100% and it's hard to tell which ones I already edited as well. ;w;

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I'm new to this site so I doubt my feedback will be anything new, but I'm really bothered by how the bulk edit treats "beaten" and "completed" as synonyms. Those two don't mean the same thing, especially not for a site that tracks both beaten and 100%. I just set a game to 100% complete and I don't see any special label for that in my collection, if Beat and Completed are the same I'd like to have some sort of indication. Maybe I'm too Steam-brained, but I'm just going through my beat/completed list to manually edit the ones I have at 100% and it's hard to tell which ones I already edited as well. ;w;

Interestingly, this hasn't been mentioned much. I'm sure it has been at some point but I don't remember it in recent years. Its a good idea to have a way to know without expanding details or sorting by a certain type.

Hi. I edited the site info for Urban Trial Freestyle the other day to give the stats platform individuality, so that the times for each version would be separated. My assumption was that by making that edit, every single platform version of the game would have it's time stats separated. I know the home console version is the same as the PC version, but the 3DS/Mobile and PS Vita versions are different. So while some versions are the same as each other, others are different and therefore it would be better to have all platform stats separated.

My edit was accepted, but I noticed something was a little off:
The 3DS version is grouped with the PC version, and the PS Vita version has been put on it's own.
(Presumably PS3 isn't listed in the stats at the top of the page because it only has 6 completions listed, and Mobile has none listed)

So, there are 3 versions of the game with different levels, amounts of levels, and overall lengths.
The correct grouping should be:
PC, PS3
PS Vita
3DS, Mobile

I own and have played both the 3DS and PC versions, just completed them the other day and can confirm the 3DS version is far shorter.

Looking online, I can see that the PS Vita version appears to be a downgraded version of the original PC/Console version, with redesigned and simplified level designs, which I think is enough to constitute it being it's own version, as it almost certainly affects the time.

On the other hand, the 3DS version seems to be a port of the PS Vita version, due to it having the same simplified versions of levels. But the biggest difference I can see with it compared to Vita, is that the number of levels per-world have been cut from 8 levels, down to 4.

As for the Mobile version, looking on YouTube, it appears to be a direct port of the 3DS version. It has the same main menu interface, the same number of worlds, levels per-world, and (at least for the first world), the exact same order of levels too. That's why I think Mobile should be grouped with 3DS.

Hi. I edited the site info for Urban Trial Freestyle the other day to give the stats platform individuality, so that the times for each version would be separated. My assumption was that by making that edit, every single platform version of the game would have it's time stats separated. I know the home console version is the same as the PC version, but the 3DS/Mobile and PS Vita versions are different. So while some versions are the same as each other, others are different and therefore it would be better to have all platform stats separated.

My edit was accepted, but I noticed something was a little off:
The 3DS version is grouped with the PC version, and the PS Vita version has been put on it's own.
(Presumably PS3 isn't listed in the stats at the top of the page because it only has 6 completions listed, and Mobile has none listed)

So, there are 3 versions of the game with different levels, amounts of levels, and overall lengths.
The correct grouping should be:
PC, PS3
PS Vita
3DS, Mobile

I own and have played both the 3DS and PC versions, just completed them the other day and can confirm the 3DS version is far shorter.

Looking online, I can see that the PS Vita version appears to be a downgraded version of the original PC/Console version, with redesigned and simplified level designs, which I think is enough to constitute it being it's own version, as it almost certainly affects the time.

On the other hand, the 3DS version seems to be a port of the PS Vita version, due to it having the same simplified versions of levels. But the biggest difference I can see with it compared to Vita, is that the number of levels per-world have been cut from 8 levels, down to 4.

As for the Mobile version, looking on YouTube, it appears to be a direct port of the 3DS version. It has the same main menu interface, the same number of worlds, levels per-world, and (at least for the first world), the exact same order of levels too. That's why I think Mobile should be grouped with 3DS.

The grouping is automated and groups together platforms that have similar times. Breaking them out individually means that some platforms will never have an estimated time and it's also a formatting nightmare. There's some other variables like not needing to know the differences between all the game. I don't think there's actually enough time variance here to make it worth having enabled.

The grouping is automated and groups together platforms that have similar times. Breaking them out individually means that some platforms will never have an estimated time and it's also a formatting nightmare. There's some other variables like not needing to know the differences between all the game. I don't think there's actually enough time variance here to make it worth having enabled.

Breaking them out individually means that some platforms will never have an estimated time and it's also a formatting nightmare.

If some platforms don't have an estimated time at the top of the game page, don't those extra platforms simply have their averaged times listed at the bottom, like this?

PS3 appeared there even before you reverted the platform individuality setting. So with Platform Individuality enabled, you should just be able to look at the bottom of the page if it doesn't appear at the top. And the PS3 ver. is the same as PC, so in regards to stats, it should be the same average length.

There's some other variables like not needing to know the differences between all the game.

I'm not quite sure what you mean to say. I know you wouldn't have known these differences, so that's why I highlighted them.

I don't think there's actually enough time variance here to make it worth having enabled.

I'm not sure. I mean, the difference between 3DS and PC is pretty massive. It took me 6:20 to beat the PC ver. and 3:07 to beat the 3DS ver. which is over 50% shorter. (Just for clarification, I didn't beat the 3DS ver. quicker because of having PC practice immediately beforehand; I actually nearly beat the 3DS ver. a few years ago, and only picked back up the last couple of levels the day after beating the PC version a few days ago. So if anything, the 3DS ver. gave me practice, and the PC ver. could have been even longer). I'd understand the time variance argument if it was a massive 100hr game, where the versions only differ by a few hours. But when you're dealing with games <10 hrs in length, a few hours is a huge difference.

Breaking them out individually means that some platforms will never have an estimated time and it's also a formatting nightmare.

If some platforms don't have an estimated time at the top of the game page, don't those extra platforms simply have their averaged times listed at the bottom, like this?

PS3 appeared there even before you reverted the platform individuality setting. So with Platform Individuality enabled, you should just be able to look at the bottom of the page if it doesn't appear at the top. And the PS3 ver. is the same as PC, so in regards to stats, it should be the same average length.

There's some other variables like not needing to know the differences between all the game.

I'm not quite sure what you mean to say. I know you wouldn't have known these differences, so that's why I highlighted them.

I don't think there's actually enough time variance here to make it worth having enabled.

I'm not sure. I mean, the difference between 3DS and PC is pretty massive. It took me 6:20 to beat the PC ver. and 3:07 to beat the 3DS ver. which is over 50% shorter. (Just for clarification, I didn't beat the 3DS ver. quicker because of having PC practice immediately beforehand; I actually nearly beat the 3DS ver. a few years ago, and only picked back up the last couple of levels the day after beating the PC version a few days ago. So if anything, the 3DS ver. gave me practice, and the PC ver. could have been even longer). I'd understand the time variance argument if it was a massive 100hr game, where the versions only differ by a few hours. But when you're dealing with games <10 hrs in length, a few hours is a huge difference.

In its current form, platform individuality will only break out Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita so while your playthrough indicated a large variance between the 2 versions that isn't reflected in the overall data when its toggled on. The average play time for the PC version in your screenshot is 3H 33M which lines up with the 3DS submissions and your very own playthrough.

I only say it isn't worth having on because it only breaks it down to "Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita" and as you mentioned, you can just look at the platform breakdown below.

In its current form, platform individuality will only break out Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita so while your playthrough indicated a large variance between the 2 versions that isn't reflected in the overall data when its toggled on. The average play time for the PC version in your screenshot is 3H 33M which lines up with the 3DS submissions and your very own playthrough.

I only say it isn't worth having on because it only breaks it down to "Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita" and as you mentioned, you can just look at the platform breakdown below.

In its current form, platform individuality will only break out Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita

and

I only say it isn't worth having on because it only breaks it down to "Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita"

By "In it's current form" are you talking about how the website itself categorises versions based on times? And is that what you were meaning when you said "it only breaks it down to Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita"? I thought there would probably be a way for admins to manually change the categorisations if the need arose, since I thought the categorization being wrong would probably be a common thing you've dealt with before. If that's the case that you can't manually change the categorization, at least yet, then I can totally understand you keeping Platform Individuality off whenever the site doesn't correctly categorize the games on their own.

The average play time for the PC version in your screenshot is 3H 33M which lines up with the 3DS submissions and your very own playthrough.

I think you're looking at the screenshot where it says 3h 39m being the average for the PC version, right?. But that 3h 39m is specifically referring to the "Main" time only. I forgot to mention, (but I guess it wasn't relevant until now), that my PC playthrough was a "Main + Extra" playthrough, and my 3DS one was only a "Main" one. So my PC playthrough doesn't closely match with the 3DS version at all if you're correctly comparing it to the "Main + Extra's" average. In fact, with the PC Main + Extra average being 5h 56m, and my PC Main + Extra playthrough being 6h 20m, it much more closely lines up with the PC version, not the 3DS version, which makes sense. And like I said, the 3DS version has half the amount of levels as the PC version, and they are shorter, more dumbed down versions too.

and as you mentioned, you can just look at the platform breakdown below.

Yeah, you are right that the option to see the stuff is still technically there, so I guess it's not the end of the world. I just like being particular with everything showing correctly, including grouping of the platforms. I can certainly deal with it though if you simply can't group them the way they are supposed to be or if it really hurts the stats the way you're suggesting they would - I just don't currently understand how any harm would be done.

Also, just to note: I noticed the game page has been edited and has Platform Individuality enabled again, when it seemed you'd disabled it the other day. The title also has the year added to it now when I don't recall it being like that before... not sure why either (There's only one game with that name).

In its current form, platform individuality will only break out Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita

and

I only say it isn't worth having on because it only breaks it down to "Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita"

By "In it's current form" are you talking about how the website itself categorises versions based on times? And is that what you were meaning when you said "it only breaks it down to Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita"? I thought there would probably be a way for admins to manually change the categorisations if the need arose, since I thought the categorization being wrong would probably be a common thing you've dealt with before. If that's the case that you can't manually change the categorization, at least yet, then I can totally understand you keeping Platform Individuality off whenever the site doesn't correctly categorize the games on their own.

The average play time for the PC version in your screenshot is 3H 33M which lines up with the 3DS submissions and your very own playthrough.

I think you're looking at the screenshot where it says 3h 39m being the average for the PC version, right?. But that 3h 39m is specifically referring to the "Main" time only. I forgot to mention, (but I guess it wasn't relevant until now), that my PC playthrough was a "Main + Extra" playthrough, and my 3DS one was only a "Main" one. So my PC playthrough doesn't closely match with the 3DS version at all if you're correctly comparing it to the "Main + Extra's" average. In fact, with the PC Main + Extra average being 5h 56m, and my PC Main + Extra playthrough being 6h 20m, it much more closely lines up with the PC version, not the 3DS version, which makes sense. And like I said, the 3DS version has half the amount of levels as the PC version, and they are shorter, more dumbed down versions too.

and as you mentioned, you can just look at the platform breakdown below.

Yeah, you are right that the option to see the stuff is still technically there, so I guess it's not the end of the world. I just like being particular with everything showing correctly, including grouping of the platforms. I can certainly deal with it though if you simply can't group them the way they are supposed to be or if it really hurts the stats the way you're suggesting they would - I just don't currently understand how any harm would be done.

Also, just to note: I noticed the game page has been edited and has Platform Individuality enabled again, when it seemed you'd disabled it the other day. The title also has the year added to it now when I don't recall it being like that before... not sure why either (There's only one game with that name).

By "In it's current form" are you talking about how the website itself categorises versions based on times? And is that what you were meaning when you said "it only breaks it down to Nintendo 3DS, PC vs. PlayStation Vita"? I thought there would probably be a way for admins to manually change the categorisations if the need arose, since I thought the categorization being wrong would probably be a common thing you've dealt with before. If that's the case that you can't manually change the categorization, at least yet, then I can totally understand you keeping Platform Individuality off whenever the site doesn't correctly categorize the games on their own.

Yeah, I'm talking about the site's ability to break them out. That is an entirely automated separation and there are no controls for individual breakout. Its pretty simple code that basically examines the data in the platform table that you see on screen and then groups together similar times. It's not very commonly toggled on the site, and I'm not even convinced it's that helpful where its used but user's haven't really pushed for any changes so it wasn't expanded on.

Also, just to note: I noticed the game page has been edited and has Platform Individuality enabled again, when it seemed you'd disabled it the other day. The title also has the year added to it now when I don't recall it being like that before... not sure why either (There's only one game with that name).

Yeah, I togged it back on to see how it looked. Sometimes I like to sit with a change to see how I feel about it. I must have clicked on the date add by accident.

Site Update:

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- Blog component will now have a "Last Page" arrow link to skip to the last page of the blog.

Platforms & Storefronts
- PICO-8 has been added as a platform.
- Meta Quest+ has been renamed to Meta Horizon+

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Probably been asked before, but is it possible to get a “save draft” function for writing reviews or forum replies? I’ve lost a lot of longer reviews because the webpage randomly reloads or I hit submit right when my connection suddenly gets spotty.

I know I can draft in another app and then paste it in, but it’s more convenient to do it right on the site. I’m just always afraid to spend 30 minutes writing a thoughtful review only to lose it in the ether.

Site Update:

User Profile
- Blog component will now have a "Last Page" arrow link to skip to the last page of the blog.

Platforms & Storefronts
- PICO-8 has been added as a platform.
- Meta Quest+ has been renamed to Meta Horizon+

General
- Site cookie is now valid for 28 days instead of 14.

User Profile
- Blog component will now have a "Last Page" arrow link to skip to the last page of the blog.

Just saw this! Thanks for the addition there, definitely will be really helpful! :)